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Hecks--The Tiny Chick. March 26Th 2015

Emmy

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blog-0669723001427411209.jpgI know I have already posted about this on the forum but I want to keep a record and thought the best way to do this using a 'blog' entry.

I've had this pair of Hecks since last year but they were not last years birds.

The hen was always laying eggs but she never incubated them.

Then surprise, the last lot she laid (6eggs) they decided to incubate them. The only difference this time was Instead of the usual nesting material I use I gave them coconut fibre. I was surprised just how quickly they used this to build the nest.

6 eggs in Heck's nest

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Eggs candled via computer 3 look to be fertile - this eventually proved to be correct

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Unfortunately today when I was checking the cages seed/water etc.- I found one little chick was on the floor of their cage -it was dead so at least I knew some of the eggs were fertile.

I can check the nest from outside the cage but had decided after I knew they were incubating the eggs I wouldn't disturb them unless they were both out of the nest feeding. So as both birds were out from the nest this afternoon I decided I would check the nest.

Only 3eggs were in the nest - no eggs had been thrown out and definitely no other eggs hidden in the nest. What happened to the other 3 eggs? well one had hatched but no idea about the other two eggs. !

The pair seemed as though they had given up incubating the remaining eggs so I cleaned out their cage and removed the nest box and was about to bin the 3 remaining eggs when I thought --just in case they were fertile --and maybe there could a chance they would hatch out I decided to put them into the incubator and would candle them later to find if they were/had been fertile.

30 minutes later my eyes about 'popped' out of my head one of the eggs had hatched out in the incubator. I was so glad I hadn't removed the nest from the nest box so I put the newly hatched chick back in the nest and put the nest box back onto their cage and decided I'd wait for 15 minutes to find out if the parents would go back into the nest box and crossed my fingers that the parents would feed it. Both adult birds were going into the nest so I'm hoping they are feeding the chick.

Sadly in the morning I discovered they had tossed the 2nd chick out from the nest and it was dead

The other 2 eggs are still in the incubator but I think only one is fertile but if it hasn't hatched out by the morning I guess it will be dead in the shell .

I have now candled the photograph of the egg I think is fertile but I can't see the red dot (heart) that usually shows up when the chick is alive in the shell , but it could be the angle I have taken the photograph.

this is the image of the chick inside the egg.

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(you can see from the entry photograph that this chick did hatch out successfully)

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March 27th 2015

Day 2

So far so good the chick is fine! (Me on the other hand I'm a nervous wreck! Maybe I should be changing places with the chick :lol: )

I put the chick into the hospital cage last night and set the temperature just slightly lower than the incubator and it seems to be working out OK. I have been feeding it every 2 hours. I'm using a cocktail stick that I adapted this is fine for the early stages and the chick is showing a positive reaction to this and it ensures that the chick isn't getting too much formula each time.

Hospital cage:

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Tonight I have increased the strength of the formula (as directed) and it seems to have made a difference how the chick is feeding.

Using Kaytee formula :

Day 1-2 = 1 part Kaytee to 6 parts water

Day 2-5 = 1 part Kaytee to 2/3 water

day 5 onward = 1part Kaytee to 1 1/2 / 2 parts water.

Depending on how it goes I may extend the time between feeds. But it will only get fed if its crop is empty.

(Soon be Sunday and hopefully the Bengies will take over ) :good:

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Saturday, March 28th 2015

'Hamish the Heck' (it's been named! :lol: ) so far is doing well. Although it's 'early days' I'm not even worried now if the Bengalese don't take over the feeding -- (but I could do with more than 2 hours sleep at a time lol)

As it's working out OK feeding him every 2 hours, I'm going to leave it at that meantime.

I'm still using the modified cocktail stick to feed him- I know the crop tube would be quicker but as this method is working out OK I'm going to keep on with it meantime.

This photograph was taken this morning at 7am (and all his bodily functions are in perfect working order ;):lol: )

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A very short video of Hamish being fed:

http://youtu.be/a_uQJro9bLU

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Sunday March 29th 2015

Was really worried this morning - I didn't hear the alarm and I was about 2hours late for Hamish's 1st feed. I took me ages to get him to start feeding and for a moment I was dreading what may happen.

I had to keep returning him to the hospital cage from time to time to make sure his temp. was OK

It took a lot of patience but it paid off. I only fed him a little and let him rest for about 10 minutes in the hospital cage then tried feeding him again after 2/3 times doing this he was back to normal.

So its obvious he still can't go all night yet --which by now he should be able to go from 11pm until 5a.m.

Today I've started him on the 1 part formula to 1 1/2 -- 2 parts water

Hopefully this may help to make him go longer between feeds.

I did buy the two Bengalese at the bird sale today and I was told it would be very unlikely they would feed the chick until they decided to go into the nest box.

What are the Bengies doing?? Yes sitting on a perch! I've put up a nest boxes at both ends of the cage and also put one inside the cage on the floor. Not sure if that is the correct thing to do but I'll see what happens tomorrow.

Short video clip:

This is Hamish tonight waiting to be fed - just wait until you see the end of this short video! Is it really a chick or is it a creature from another planet? :ph34r:

Feed me NOW!

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My last thoughts tonight- Please let the Bengies choose a nest tomorrow!

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Monday March 30th 2015

Hamish definitely went a bit longer between feeds last night.

It's now 10am and after Hamish has been fed I'm going to set the temperature in the hospital cage to a few degrees lower. Doing this on the basis that if I had been using the brooder I would have changed the light bulb from 60W to 40W

3pm: Having a bit bother with Hamish's feeding today -definitely not as responsive to getting fed.

I've decided to go back to the previous formula mix: 1 part formula 2-3 water to find out if that makes a difference.

One thing I find odd is sometimes when chicks are being hand reared they don't get the downy feathers like the other chicks get when being reared with their parents? When I look at Hamish he looks as though he is made from black leather :o:lol:

9 pm: Still having a bit of bother with the feeding routine. When its time for him to be fed he is begging but he doesn't make a cheeping sound and after just 2 tiny bits of formula he doesn't seem to want any more. I'll leave him now until about midnight and try feeding him then although I will be checking him at regular intervals until then. Just hoping this glitch sorts itself out.

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Tuesday 31sr March 2015

This morning I'm really worried about Hamish he's definitely not feeding as he was before.

Today I was considering going on to using a crop tube but the one I had that would fit his beak has broken and seems impossible to fix but I'll have another try fixing it later on (to do it properly I would need to order more materials etc ) next size of crop tube I have is just a fraction too big.

:(

Re the new Bengies they are still not going into any of the nest boxes but the ones I have in my aviary I guess would be ideal -they look as though they want to nest but there would still be the worry that they wouldn't feed Hamish and maybe toss him out from the nest- and at this point he definitely needs to be kept warm. and there would still be the problem of catching the other Bengies.

So it seems I'm going to be 'Mum' for a while longer.

I thought the first 4/5 days would have been the worst time for things to go wrong - but I'm not giving up hope just yet - I still think miracles do happen.

3pm

I think I have found the solution to the feeding problem.

I had a look through all the medical equipment I had used for my different pets in the past and I found this syringe:

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But it is far too big to use as a 'crop feeder' for Hamish but part of it is ideal to use in the same way as I have been using the cocktail sticks and a safer method too. This is the part I'm using:

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This syringe is meant for giving liquid only so Hamish's formula wouldn't have be able to be withdrawn into the tube. Using only the above part - which is just a perfect fit to go into his beak - I just dip the end into the formula and then insert it into his beak and so far it has worked.

I think this may be another cause for this 'Blip' in the feeding--- I noticed he hadn't been 'pooping' much.

Maybe the initial cause was by following the formula instructions to the letter! So now I'll be keeping Hamish on the 2-5 days old instruction - 1 part formula to 2-3 parts water even it this means I have to feed him at shorter intervals. and then I'll use my own judgement after that.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this will work out because if it doesn't I just don't know what to do next! :(

5.15 pm

Sad News Hamish didn't make it. :(

Just wished I knew for certain what went wrong when he was feeding OK to begin with.

I know he would have died sooner if I had put him back into the nest but I wanted to give him a chance.

So, so sad that he didn't survive.



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Good on you Emmy.. You don't shrink away from a challenge that's for sure.

 

As always, I'll be watching this Blog & hoping for a bright outcome.

 

Andy

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Maybe I shouldn't say too much at this point Andy but I see a difference in the chick already - this time I'm using Kaytee hand rearing food - it's easier to mix up. The other difference this time is having the hospital cage - a member of the bird group gave it to me as he didn't use it anymore and there's no light showing as there was with the brooder I used.

Going out now to try and capture my Bengalese  in the outside flight. (lol)

If they have any sense they'll stay inside it very cold here today.

 

Emmy

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Looking Good Emmy,

 

I did think you might be a bit too hopeful about the Bengalese, but you never know.

 

Lucky Chick to have your perseverance for it's welfare.

 

All things are crossed for it's survival.

 

Good luck.. 

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Hi Emmy,

 

I'm hooked once again and I hope Hamish continues to flourish.

 

In my experience bengalese don't often tend to take to chicks once they have hatched, so I'd watch them very carefully if you decide to go down this route.

 

Good look with the little fellow and please keep us up to date with his/her progress.

 

Gary.

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Thanks Andy and Gary,

I must admit I do  feel a  bit apprehensive putting Hamish in with the Bengalese but I don't have to think about that meantime because the Bengalese are still showing no interest in the nests.

 

The  hospital cage I was given is a BIG help this time-- it takes away all the guessing re keeping the temperature stable etc.  For the humidity  I have put in a dish with water  it safe enough to do this on this occasion because Hamish can't get near it.

It's till early days yet -(he's 6days old now!)  just hope he makes it.

Emmy

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That's so sad Emmy,

I think you gave Hamish a chance at life which he might not have had if left with Parents.

 

Onwards and upwards, there are still lots of your birds requiring your love and attention.

 

Andy

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Thanks Andy,

This has been some day! I not only lost Hamish but I also lost  my silver CPQ. She had been laying an egg but she hadn't passed it out properly and was bleeding I  had to bathe her bottom to release the egg (the egg wasn't broken) then I put her in a quiet warm place but it didn't work this time. I had this happen to one of my Texan White quails 2 years ago so I knew what to do That Texan white did survive and she still running around.

I feel so lost tonight It beginning to look like for every one of the birds that make it two don't. 

Hamish's parents are busy building another nest just hope they wont give a repeat performance.

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Hi F. Finches

 

I had read that at a week old they should have their last feed at 11pm and first one in the morning at 5am but I hadn't done that I was feeding it every 2hours during the night too. only once I did go over the 2hours and that was one morning when I didn't hear the alarm and I overslept.

 

I have bought all the medication we discussed and I had it all here. In fact I was considering adding a little spirilina to the formula tomorrow .

Thinking back Hamish seemed to change after I had increased the ratio of formula-water. but he was only on that for one day. But it may have been one day too many.

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Where did you read to stop night Feedings?

Formula between 3-6 days should be 3 parts water, 1 part formula.

I elaborated considerably on my website, the 'dedicated breeders' section is pretty extensive. Try giving that a look (a lot of info I found online before is outdated). I finished a couple studies, and Actually was able to confirm a hypothesis regarding protein ratios (babies all grew to be 10% larger than their parents!).

http://www.fetchingfinches.com/dedicated-breeders

Again, so sorry about the little guy.

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never mind Emmy. yet again you show just how much you care for your birds.  it is plain to see the love you show them. he would of not have lasted the week if you had not taken him from the nest. yet again you gave him the best chance you could, one he would never have had with out you.

 

so sorry.

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Sending you happy thoughts.... again.

 

Come join my flock- we can use a kind soul :)

(instead of my scientific jumble... hehe) If you are in dubai in the next few months- I have 30 babies who need handfeeding ;) !

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Thanks for your kind words amf 

 

 

 

F.Finches if you could bring 'Dubai' here (lol) or send the chicks via internet (lol) I'd just love to help but only after I've caught up on some missing sleep (lol 

On a more serious note I'd like to say Many thanks again for all your information and advice its much appreciated.

Emmy

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Emmy- you know you can always ask. Im happy to help.

 

Interesting thoughts regarding transferring the babies- maybe I should take a break from avian science and switch to teleportation studies. Quantum physics here I come!

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I should take a break from avian science and switch to teleportation studies. Quantum physics here I come!

 

 

F.Finches why don't you try to get in touch with the 'Star ship Enterprise' and communicate with Captain James T. Kirk and he may get 'Scottie' to 'beam' the chicks to me from what I've seen on TV it only takes seconds.

 

Ohh!! just a thought! I think Captain Picard has taken over now.  (lol lol lol)

 

Emmy

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Great Scott! I think you're right!

 

Brilliant.  On my way to enroll in comic-con. Till next time our 'voyages' meet again ;)

 

(I might have fudged those sayings- never got into star treck- was more of a star wars chick if I had to choose, haha!)

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