Keri and Wayne Davies 13 Report post Posted July 13, 2012 Interesting colour Dave, catches your eye. What's he been bred out of. Wayne. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave.H 11 Report post Posted July 13, 2012 Ryan said cfw cheeked but it looks blackbreasted to me? So opinions welcomed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted July 13, 2012 Hi Dave Looks to me like it has BB in it and wouldn't be surprised if it cheeked too it looks it but it tough to tell from the pictures. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tremuth 14 Report post Posted July 13, 2012 1)No tear mark, the points in the flancs are not round, a lot of black in the breast = BB You should also check the tail marks to be sure it is BB 2) the color of the cheek is not regular, the color of the back doesn't look regular on the picture, no zeb marks on the breast = cheeked. It is CFW anyway. Michael Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broughy 12 Report post Posted July 13, 2012 hi all Its breed for a normal grey cock bird to a grey cheek hen i will have to cheek further back for grand parents but its from birds i have breed myself over the last few years and i dont have any blackbrested at all and never have had so maybe its got some blackbrested in it from a distant relation. this is the first and only bird i have breed with this color so its a new one on me cheers Ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave.H 11 Report post Posted July 13, 2012 thanks for commenting all and thanks for parentage ryan would make his father a normal split cfw, bb some how and hen a fawncheek split bb different looking like i said when i got him, so heres hoping i get something nice off him too no bb hens here at mo though btw ryan you had my pms? cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broughy 12 Report post Posted July 13, 2012 hi dave sorry had np pm's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broughy 12 Report post Posted July 13, 2012 hi all going back into grand perants breeding the cock that breed the pictured bird was breed from a lightback cock - greycheek hen the hen that breed the pictured bird was breed from lightback cock - greycheck hen but not the same pair ............ i have not got any records further back than this as these birds were bought in and i no longer have there perantage recorded probabbly because it was hand written cheers ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted July 14, 2012 Hi From a Lightback x Grey Cheek pairing you could expect 25% Cheeked (SF) Lightback Males 25% Lightback Females 25% Cheeked (SF) Lightback Females 25% Normal/Lightback Males So this would Mean apart from any other hidden sex Linked or Recessive mutations carried and not coming out visually the cock who was the father of the bird in photos above would of been a Normal/Lightback cock, now if you pair the Normal/lightback father of this birds to the Grey Cheek mother so. Normal/Lightback x Grey Cheek Hen you would get 12.5% Cheeked (SF) /Lightback Males 12.5% Lightback Females 12.5% Cheeked (SF) Lightback Females 12.5% Normal /Lightback Males 12.5% Cheeked (SF) Males 12.5% Normal Females 12.5% Cheeked (SF) Females 12.5% Normal Males In order for it to be a CFW cheek BB cock the parents would have to be both visual or the hen visual and the cock carrying CFW as this is need to produce CFW cocks also bother parents if not visual must be split for BB as it looks to be one to me. I'm not a gambling man but now i would go for a Lightback cheeked BB cock. Hope this make sense Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave.H 11 Report post Posted July 14, 2012 Thanks Paul sounds good to me. Is it the cheeked and lightback working in.conjunction making him so light coloured then? I have a normal hen, a lightback hen or a cfw hen I could pair him too to test? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted July 14, 2012 Hi Dave It's tough as the parents shouldn't of been able to produce a lightback cheeked cock only hens of this colour so i'm stumped on this one i would just pair him to the best hen for type if i were you mate and see what you get. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skm 5 Report post Posted July 17, 2012 This is BB for sure. It also seem to carry a Orange Brested gene, could be a split. The orange colour is appearing in the tail bars and there is orange colour between the cheek and breast bars on the right side. Does not seem to be cheeked as the cheek patches are orange, though light in colour. If it were cheeked, cheek patches would have been fawn or gray. All in all a beautiful bird. Good luck Dave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pete 21 Report post Posted July 17, 2012 There are alot of cheeked birds about with orange cheeks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimitri 1 Report post Posted July 17, 2012 the cock that breed the pictured bird was breed from a lightback cock - greycheek hen the hen that breed the pictured bird was breed from lightback cock - greycheck hen so we have the solution here: the father is definitely grey split lightback (and split bb) and the mother is not simply greycheek, but greycheek lightback indeed (and split bb as well) therefore the pictured bird can only be lightback greycheek bb, as already said by Paul above. ciao Dimitri Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolk flyer 208 Report post Posted July 17, 2012 Dave, If you look at the male which i had (died) in my gallery yours is very simular apart yours seem a bit more brighter on the flanks. I think it's a BBCFW, thats my oppinion, hope this helps. What to breed it with? I would go for a BB grey this would give you hens of this type + BB grey males. I'm sure you will put it with the right partner in the end, please let me know how you get on. Pity we didn't live closer as you could have borrowed a BBCFW hen of mine to test. All the best, Trevor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted July 17, 2012 Hi This link is to a photo of a adult CFW cheeked bird. http://scottishzebra...d.com/id21.html The only way for the above bird to be a CFW BB Cheeked birds is if the hen that bred it was split BB and a visual Cfw Cheeked hen and not a Grey Cheek, this is why i think it may be a lightback Cheeked bird,the markings are dark the hen which it was bred from could of been lightback Cheeked and the normal cock which was the father could of been split Lightback. The cock that bred the Pictured bird was bred from Lightback x Grey Cheek which would mean all cocks were split Lightback and the hen which bred the pictured bird was bred the same way so if a visually Cheeked bird it would be lightback cheeked hen see below. Lightback x Grey Cheek 25% Cheeked (SF) /Lightback Males 25% Lightback Females 25% Cheeked (SF) Lightback Females 25% Normal/Lightback Males Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave.H 11 Report post Posted July 17, 2012 Only problem I face is I don't have any full bb hens at present or splits for that matter. My line of thinking is when little older pair to nice type cfw hen. As will test the cfw x lightback theory. As if cfw bb will produce all cfw cocks and hens if lightback will give me lightback split cfw cocks and lightback hens. Id love to take you up on offer trev but like you were miles apart until Newark . He'll be around 10months old by then. Dave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted July 18, 2012 Hi Dave a CFW hen sounds like a good idea,it will be interesting to find out the results i think its just about has us all guessing Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave.H 11 Report post Posted July 18, 2012 I do like to keep you on your toes Paul lol. Probably throw something totally unexpected lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
