Any Guesses As To Colors On These Youngsters?

[Any Guesses As To Colors On These Youngsters?]

Here are some pictures of the latest clutch of three. There is a dark grey, a light grey and a fawn. The fawn is obviously going to be a male, but he has no tear drop. The dark grey (is it male or female?) has a tear drop, but is also very buff colored underneath. The light grey I'm guessing is female and also has no tear drop. This pair has produced full BB and full OB before, as well as the phaeo male. Any guesses as to what these ones will turn out to be?

[Isabel Or Florida Fancy?]

Thanks for the help! 

[Isabel Or Florida Fancy?]

Sorry, I don't have more pictures of the male like that, and he is currently feeding babies so I don't want to disturb him to take pictures at this time.  However, here are pictures of 4 of the 5 of the first clutch from this same pair.  Maybe that will help.

 

I hadn't considered fawn with this male.  How do you tell fawn from grey isabels?  

[Isabel Or Florida Fancy?]

Any more answers?

[Isabel Or Florida Fancy?]

Yes she does.  And she has had a full OB male chick before, so she is at least split to OB.  How can you tell full versus split to OB on a hen?  What is the normal for a tail versus what she has? 

 

[Isabel Or Florida Fancy?]

I am new to zebra finches, having just purchased one pair last summer.  The male is a normal grey and the hen is a fawn.  The first clutch they produced last fall had two males – one full black breasted (I think) and one orange breasted – and three females – two fawn and one grey.  From this I deduced that both are split to OB, BB and the male is split to fawn.

 

On February 10th, they hatched two more chicks – both male, one normal grey and this one.  I am attaching pictures of the parents and this chick.

 

On April 5/6 they hatched three more chicks which just fledged yesterday – two fawn and one grey, but I can’t tell more at this time.

 

My question is regarding “this chick”.  I have read about the Florida Fancy and the Isabel mutations.  I am in Canada, and I have been told that “we don’t have Isabels in North America”.  (I live in Canada.)  However, this looks to me to be a full FF, and getting that from the above parents just doesn’t seem possible being as it is co-dominant.  So I am wondering if it really is an Isabel.  A recessive makes more sense to me, though one out of ten is a pretty low ratio if both parents are split to it.

 

I also think it is probably black breasted, and have sent a picture of the tail feathers as well.

 

Can you help me figure out what this chick is? And any further information about parents would be good too.

 

Thank you.

[Pictures Of Isabels?]

Thanks for the link.  Gorgeous pictures there - but even Google translate isn't helping me identify some of them...  I'll try to get decent pictures tomorrow of a pair we have and a chick from them and post them tomorrow.  I'm still not sure quite what we have.

[Pictures Of Isabels?]

I'm in Canada and I'm having problems finding pictures of Isabels - the fawn and the grey forms - and figuring out their genetics.  (I was told we don't have Isabels in North America, just Florida Fancies.  I have problems believing that with birds being shipped the way they are now and the Isabel gene being recessive.)  Does anyone have pictures of Isabels they can show me?  Any more information on the genetics other that what I can find on efinch?

Thanks.