dave huntington

so its you lot who are the reason i cannot find a nice clean normal without it masking some hidden suprise

as far as i know its a mutation in ts own right that has occured and been developednot a combinaton of mutations that result n eumospeter hook had some at the wesh that he has been breeding after importing some from the continentinterestng birds and attractve in there own rightbut give me a cracking pair of normals any day

there are a few knockng about in ths country now for about £300 each i thnk http://www.zebrafinch.com/NewZebra/Eumo/Eumo_Zebra.html

cheers dave,some cracking birds on there enjoyed looking at themloads of good birds i love the colour on the cfwdave

hi kim ,sorry for delay in responding having computer problemsno it wasnt these two birds that did well for me it was another pairmight post pics at later datecheers dave

hi kim,i was starting to lose fertility in my fawns probably getting to closely related so so 3 years ago i bought 6 new fawns in from a couple of recognised fawn breeders to put with my birds to freshen the bloodlines and this has done the trick,fertility much improved and have been working on a couple of lines since. i brought another cock in last year and hope to bring in another one or two this yeari firmly believe in bringing new blood into stud at least every couple of years as in my case fertily has dropped when birds get to closely relatedit seems to improve vigor alsoi would add that this is my view and others might disagree advocating close family lines.dave

never had penguins before but have been tempted beforethey are a mutation that seems to be on the up with a lot more people breeding them than in the pastseen some very nice specimens at shows last year or twogood luck with them jeff

last year cockbird

not very good at this hope better pics

welcome Ebrahimi am sure you will enjoy the siteDave

sounds like you have a nice set up there kim hope you obtain the birds your looking for enjoy the hobby

the way i read your first post mark was that you would like to breed some darker creams as you feel yours are a little lightcontinue to pair cream to fawn,no need to pair any other way as you already have quite a few creams to play withif your preferance is a darker bird use your darker creams to pair to fawns,however when breeding dilutes results can be quite random in regards to the colour of the offspringyou could pair a dark cream bird to a dark fawn and still breed a cream youngster very pale in colour and perhaps a very dark cream in the same nestits part of the challenge getting a well matched pair on the bench

mark the markings on dilutes should be of a colour in keeping with the overall body colour of the birdso if you had a very light coloured cream you would want light coloured markings in keeping with the lightness of body colourif you had a dark cream you want a bird with darker markings...imo something between the two is ideal with even colour being the main thing to aim fordaveps if your looking to breed darker birds remember by breeding dilutes you are choosing to breed a bird with reduced colour. i would retain the darker creams you breed rather than go out looking for dark fawns remember the range of shades its vast in dilutes and to breed a pair that match perfectly is quite hard so i would be happy to breed a pair that match whatever shade

nice stylish bird paul all cfw hens have dark heads thats how you sex them in the nestmost will moult out much clearer however if you breed a good one with flecking on head i would not discard as nick says they can breed clear birdsi have used a couple of nomal/cfw cock x cfw hen pairs and bred a couple nice cfw hens and my best two normal hens of this year dave

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<a href='http://zebrafinch.org.uk/forum/index.php?app=gallery&module=images&img=249'><img src='http://zebrafinch.org.uk/forum/uploads/1303319363/gallery_4_30_439417.jpg' alt='061.JPG' /></a><a href='http://zebrafinch.org.uk/forum/index.php?app=gallery&module=images&img=250'><img src='http://zebrafinch.org.uk/forum/uploads/1303319363/gallery_4_30_53582.jpg' alt='060.JPG' /></a>not great pics will get some better onesgrabbed a few young ones out of flight first time in show cage

very promising paulthe hen you used seems to have done the trick putting some head quality into the youngstersdefinatley a pair worth working withgood selection by yourselfi like the feather quality in the adult cock aswellhope you get another round out dave

just pair them to a good fawn or cfw or somethingsplit cocks but pure hens to work with

usefull birds paul,really good head quality which is vital in show birdsif they are lacking a little in size i would pair a couple of them to big stock hens of any of the mainsteam coloursto try and get a little bit of size in them,giving you at least some normal hens to put back into strainobviously a nice big cobby normal hen with cracking head features would be the ideal choice if you have a few in shedand if you have can you send me a couple good luck with them pauldave

welcome to the forum Hameedim sure you will find it interestingDave

good looking bird paul lovely shape to him and cracking head quality nice small beakwell doneget him paired up to an older hen

hello sherry all good advice aboveregards softfood if you have a petstore near you just get a commercial eggfood to which you add a few drops of water to slightly moisten iti myself would start feeding it now to get the adults used to it,however dont be alarmed if they dont eat it they can rear youngsters on seed alonegood luck