still not brilliant I have rung 31 but lost some and re used some rings I think I sitting on 28 at the moment 3 nests started to hatch today so lets hope they come through but I have lost a few at 14 -21 days with what looks like a bocked backside so any ideas to what's causing the problems all the get is cuscus mixed with 1/2 teaspoon honey 1 cap of cider vinegar and haiths soft food + tropical finch seedcheers Allan