zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 hi all, Has anyone got any pictures of any good size silver zebra finches or show size? Also is there any member that is breeding this type of colour? Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 i also forgot to mention, how can you tell if you have a df or a sf silver. I may be wrong but i have herd its best to put silver x normal. But what happens if you where to put to Silver x silver both been sf. Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 Hi Chris It is a widely held belief that breeding two dominant mutations of the same type such like Silver x silver or another example blackface x blackface will result in only single factor chicks being bred,as it is believed that doubling up on these mutations leads to a lethal factor in which any double factor chicks will die,and as only single factor chicks can only be raised there is nothing to be gained in such a pairing as Silver x silver. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 hi paul, I agree with you on the blackface x blackface Do you no how you can tell if you have a df silver finch. And what if you paired a df silver x sf silver. Just trying to get my head round the difference. Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 Hi Chris Because of the lethal factor there should not be any Double factor Silvers as Silver is a dominant dilute mutation and is infact the same mutation as Cream but based on a different base colour,Cream being Fawn based and Silver being Normal,even if it was possible to produce a double factor silver which it i widely believed it isn't you may struggle to tell if the bird was infact a double factor or not,the reason for this is that dominant mutations produce a random number of chicks of the same mutation per nest i myself have had a pair produce a nest of 5 blackfaces and the next round produce all Normals,so if you bred a silver x Normal pair and produced nothing but Silvers you would not know wether you were just very very lucky or the bird you were breeding was infact a double factor Silver,which when paired to a Normal would produce only Single factor Silver offspring. But let me just stress again it is unwise to double up on the same Dominant mutation and no proven Double factor Birds have ever been recorded. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted April 17, 2012 hi paul, Cheers for that mate its becoming clearer now, how is a df produced in the first place? Is it okay to pair silver x blackface if both dom colours. Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted April 17, 2012 Hi Chris It's ok to cross a dominant mutation to a different dominant mutation so say Blackface x silver. A Double Factor bird is produced by the combining of two Single factor birds of the same dominant mutation e.g Silver Sf x Silver Sf 50% Silver (SF) 25% Normal 25% Silver (DF) The problem with this possible breeding result is the lethal factor of combining two dominant mutations of the same type leading to the death and deformity of Any Double factor chicks,this is a widely held understanding. Below you can find the breeding results of pairing a Silver sf X normal pairing and you will notice that the average percentage of silvers in both sets of results 50% Single factor Silvers,as these are the only surviving Silver chicks you can see there is nothing much to be gained by doubling up on the same dominant mutation. 50% Normal 50% Silver (SF) Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted April 17, 2012 hi paul, Thank you for the information its makes it alot clearer for me now, there doesn't seem to be much information on the net about silvers or any pictures of exhibition size silvers. Do you know of anyone that breeds them? Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted April 17, 2012 Hi Chris I know a man who breeds some very nice creams may be if you ask him nicely for next year he might fix you up,then you can breed the creams to Normals and try to produce your own Silvers. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jugglerjeff 45 Report post Posted April 17, 2012 i've a few silvers and silver light backs .. a good site to look at is jan pastoors ,theres some stunners on there ...i'm trying to get, by using my own stock some black faced siver light backs...might even produce my own bred creams .. if you fancy a silver light back cock and your passing preston i can sort you one out for free ...i took it to stafford for some one on here but it failed to be picked up .regards jeff 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
