zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 Hi all, My first nest with breeding silvers, father is a very pale silver and mother is a grey. They are both last years birds so there first time breeding, i had 6 full eggs and six healthy looking chicks. Now i no Silver X grey should be 50% of both, but looking in the nest there looks to be 4 fawns, 1 silver and 1 grey. Can anyone see anything dif from the picture than me. Are the fawn looking ones silver but just a dif shade of silver? Chris 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 Hi Chris I see 3 Fawns 1 Normal and i think a CFW im not 100% there as sometime its hard too tell from a photo this would mean the cock if hes sliver is split Fawn & CFW and the Fawn and CFW Chicks are hens. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 Hi paul, Cheers for that ill keep you posted with pictures as they leave the nest. But as it stands the male is defo split for fawn, i thought it may be a cfw but on looking at the chick its the same colour as the father. chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 Just had a look at the chick and i would say a silver, there are 5 others in the nest do you think 4 fawns, 1 grey, and 1 silver if so what would the sex of them be. chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 Hi chris Any photos of dad just wondered if he might be a CFW Fawn sometime they look like a very pale cream or silver believe it or not. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 Plus a CFW Fawn cock would produce Fawn and CFW hens and Normal split cocks. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 Hi paul, The male to the chicks. chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 Yep no mistaking him for anything else other than silver. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 hi paul, O good, so he is split for fawn then, so the 4 fawns will be females, what about the other 2 silver and grey. Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark1e 67 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 what would be the outcome of these young fawns will they still Carrie cream in there blood line next time around for there breeding, mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 14, 2012 hi mark, That is a very good question, i havent a clue , i have been trying to think of the build up to it. I may be 100% wrong on this. To produce a silver you need a cream x grey=100% silver Now to carry on breeding silvers: Silver x grey=50%grey 50%silver. So would the fawns i have be a split from the first generation. Which would mean if paired fawn x fawn split cream I could produce creams, i may be no where near on this. Worth a try Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 Hi Chris Silver/fawn x normal 12.5% Normal/Fawn Males 12.5% Fawn Females 12.5% Silver (SF) Males 12.5% Silver (SF) Females 12.5% Normal Males 12.5% Normal Females 12.5% Silver (SF) /Fawn Males 12.5% Silver (SF) Fawn Females Cream is a dominant mutation so can not be carried split Cream x Normal 25% Normal/Fawn Males 25% Fawn Females 25% Silver (SF) /Fawn Males 25% Cream Females Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 hi paul, Cheers for that mate, so the the fawn females will be fawn/silver or just fawns. When breedin them next, if put to another fawn is there any chance of silver from a fawn/silver x fawn. Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin 3 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 Chris did all of the chicks hatch together or on separate days. Kevin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 hi kevin, I think i had 2 hatch them another 2 then a 1 and 1. Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin 3 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 Chris if you take the eggs out of the nest box every time she lays, and replace it with a false egg every time she lays, then after she has laid the last egg replace them, (and make sure that you turn the eggs every day) they will all hatch together. Kevin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 hi kevin, To be honest mate, i dont bother with all of that, i used to a few years back when i had canarys. I just leave them to it now. I think if i was to let all 6 eggs hatch at the same its alot of work for the parent to feed 6 hungry mouths at once, where if they hatch one after another it they can work themselfs into it. Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin 3 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 Hi Chris i understand we all have are own ways. Kevin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave.H 11 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 from the picture, dont know if others agree but arent there 2 of the fawn ones alot lighter? e.g fawn-lightback or creams was the hen housed with any other birds prior to this pair nesting? i agree there do appears a white feather chick, could it be a fawncheek/greycheek? or possibly a cfw or possibly a isabel type?? do you know the parentage of either parent? Dave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 Hi Kevin You can have a Sliver/fawn cock but not a Fawn/silver as silver can not be carried hidden like fawn,also you can not get a Silver/fawn a hen as hen can not carry fawn with it being sexlinked. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 If i were a gambling man i would say 4 Fawn hens 1 Normal could be either cock or hen if cock possible split for Fawn and CFW 1 CFW hen Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 hi dave, The pale lookin chick i would say is defo a silver he looks alot lighter than his father, plus the 4 fawns all look the same must be the camera. I will be adding pictures when left nest. I have read your wanted add will be in touch. Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 cheers for that paul, lookin forward for the little chap to colour up a bit more now to find out. Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 Hi Chris Its like you say its probably just the photo you will have a better idea as you can see the real thing,i use to breed Silvers and Silver lightbacks lovely birds and such a variation in the dilution from bird to bird. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebba 'D' 43 Report post Posted May 15, 2012 hi paul, I do like the silvers to be honest, i have males and females of the silver colour and you can tell they are all dif in colour. I have herd they hard to match the colour up to get them on the bench. Do they have to be identical to each other. Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites