Linford 4 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 If you breed CFW to CFW do you always get CFW, what are the downsides if this is the case, do you loose colour? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dave huntington 94 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 yes all cfw produced with that pairingif already of good colour,no reason youngsters shouldnt be of good colourDave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linford 4 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 Thanks Dave, just as i had hoped.If you wanted to darken the colours can you introduce normal colour, i beleive introducing fawn tends to make the white go fawnish.Sounds like i know what i am talking about!Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dave huntington 94 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 yeah stay well away from fawns but by all means introduce normal to improve colouri would use a normal hen initialy paired to a good coloured cfw cocksome of the young produced will be normal split cfw cocks and these are the birds to put back into your cfw linei have done this before and have managed to darken my cfw linehope this helpsdave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linford 4 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 Thanks Dave, great advice.Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tam-M 13 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 Dave, I've been trying to get normal hens for months now and thay seem to be (pardon the pun) like hens teeth I cant get any, the ones I can get are just to expensive for me. just wonderd if you new why this is mate?cheerstam.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dave huntington 94 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 in my opinion good quality normal hens are the most important birds you can have in your shedthey can improve virtually any studtherfore being of such importance are hard to get hold ofi have produced a few through my cfw this year and even found getting pure normals cocks difficulthowever picking a pair of normals up next weeki reckon a few are lost through all these bloody new colours and peaple trying to get as many colours on a zebra finch as they canif we are not carefull we could find normals a rareity if more newcomers dont take these birds upnothing looks better than a top pair of normalsdave 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tam-M 13 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 I hear you mate, I have a couple of real nice normal cocks to pair up with cfw hens but I'm trying to get hold of some normal hens to pair up with cfw cocks just to bloody hard to get at a realistic price. oh well I'll have to keep looking I will get some one day (I hope)cheers mate.tam.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dave huntington 94 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 if you cant get normal hens this year you could pair a normal cock to chestnut henyou could get some normal hens via that routedave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 Cant agree with Dave more,also most Normal cock birds are split for everything under the sun the hens can come out as god knows what colours.Paul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tam-M 13 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 never thought of that dave, paul, genetics puzzels me a bit lol lets hope I get some normal hens out my pairings, will let you both know in the new year.cheerstam.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dave huntington 94 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 really hopefull of breeding a few next year looking at some normal cocks next weekgot three nice hens here just need to get them through the winter and hopefully a couple of them do the buisness next yearfingers crossed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tam-M 13 Report post Posted November 7, 2011 yes good luck to us all mate hope we all get what we'r trying for.cheerstam.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
finchdude 9 Report post Posted November 10, 2011 Hi all I have to agree with Dave on the normal hens improving a stud I breed some tricky mutations and the best investment I ever had was introducing Normal hens in selected pairngs!!! The benifits are fantastic in the long term! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Finn 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2011 Dave, I've been trying to get normal hens for months now and thay seem to be (pardon the pun) like hens teeth I cant get any, the ones I can get are just to expensive for me. just wonderd if you new why this is mate?cheerstam..Hi,rare variety mutations aside,the simple use of the mainstream colours,Fawn and CFW,will reduce the number of Normal coloured hens produced by a Normal Grey cock...if he is split for both these sex-linked colours,only 1 in 3 of his daughters will be Normal....the colour of his sons will depend on the mothers colouring.It's almost a self perpetuating situation,as in the same way that using Normals to improve the colouring in CFWs will work well,it also results in more Normal cocks split for CFW....and so it goes on.Ricky Thomas,who recently suffered the tragedy of his stud catching fire,although I don't know him,I do know he was concentrating on breeding a line of as pure Normal as possible...and although I cannot speak for him,I wouldn't be at all surprised if these sex-linked colours were still cropping up,many generations later!I have experienced a recessive gene(not quite the same as a sex-linked one,but similar,in that it's not dominant)cropping-up,totally unexpected,after 14 generations,in cat breeding,when a nephew/niece mating was done! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulm 119 Report post Posted December 4, 2011 Thats the thing with recessive mutations you just dont know if their there till they pop out in breedeing and are near impossible to get rid of because of the problem of identifying them in the first place.Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dave huntington 94 Report post Posted December 4, 2011 i have never bred off a yellow beak but seem to produce one or two every couple of years you rarely see them at shows or when at other breeders birdrooms but the odd one keeps cropping upi have this nightmare where i breed 100 of them one year Dave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites