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From that pair unless male is split or hen is split anything All chicks will be normals Dave

Nice Do you breed many?

Looks maybe a partial melanistic normal hen As if she was a ob or bb carrier shed have tail markings as well as body marking Maybe why she didn't breed mate, how long did you own her? Melanism can be due to poor diet or conditions previously Dave

Welcome Evan Nice to have you on board Have sent you a message by the way There's plenty of orangebreast combos about Crested are few and far between especially good quality ones Dave

Maybe a new combo but wouldn't see benefit of cream with black? As would just be shades of beige?

If lacking tear could be just white and not cfw. Are both hens normal bb? If all cfw is cock a light version lightback? As could be split cfw Cheers

Then following on from trev Pair a lightback cock to a Bf silver hen Will produce lightback Bf silver hens And split lightback Bf silver cocks If you had 2 unrelated pairs then cross over split cock x full hen Or cross split cock x lightback hen And you'll get full in both sexes Dave

04.01.2012 setup up first 3 pairs so far, pair 1- chestnut flanked whites - both 2011 bred pair 2- normal split lightback cock x chestnut flanked white hen - both 2011 breed pair 3- normal blackbreast cock early 2011 bred x 2009 bred fawn hen fingers crossed to some chicks soon and happy new year and good luck to all 07.01.2012 pair 3- have 1st egg today, fingers crossed for more soon pair should produce me some nice normals split blackbreast & fawn cock and normal split blackbreast hens fingers crossed cocks will go to full blackbreasts to produce full fawn blackbreasts hopefully

Ok will do

Well I joined here and will be joining the zfs due to this site Dave

Hi mark, Why not pledge members to donate images for each colour? As I'm sure we all keep a number Dave

Welcome philippe Glad to have you aboard Not a million miles away after all Hope we see more from you especially your birds Is the standard in France different to the UK? Cheers Dave

Look forward to seeing them Dave

Pictures Gary pictures they turned out well?

Anyone been on this site? http://mrsaadkw.skyrock.mobi/2697046574-Fawn-Cheek-BF-BB-OB.html

very nice indeed especially like the 5th one may have to give that one a bash at some point looks like lightback blackbreast orangebreast i also like the last pair too do much prefer these combos in normal without fawn or isabel colouringpic 6 looks like a mix some contienentals know how to breed look like a lightback bf bb ob, a silver one and a isabel one

Welcome to the forum Dave

Nice Paul I like the first one Dave

Bc, bf, bb, cfw, fawn, crested, normal and lightback I have plus an odd fawncheek and pied. I have combos of the above most being Crested fawn bc pied and crested lightback bc pied Dave

Hi peterDo you still have the poor coloured cocks father? If not no worries but if you have could you try him to a normal bc hen? Or similar that you poss know heritage from? Be interesting if you, myself and any members on here keep a thread going on heritage maybe? Like what pairings we made, what resulted and see if a common occurence takes place when crossing certain colours etcDave

I know breeding can be unpredictableBut for arguements sake if you paired like for like generation after generation You'd hope at least after a couple of generations of consistent pairings that the majority of the offspring will follow suit as their hidden genetics would be closely that of their parents. As 9/10 we are working on visuals or 1 or 2 generations before known and we cannot predict what they carry.

Touch wood all the ones I've bred have black flanks. Must have a certain degree of parental heritage? On colour of flanking surely. Peter Would you know the parents and grand parents of the bird you have the flank issues with ? Same question to you trev? Did they have parents which altered melanin pigment or grand parents? I cant comment directly but surely genetic makeup can influence consistency of colour? Cheers Dave

Pair to well coloured/ birds normals showing more black pigment Only problem is finding such birds not been tainted by black pigment reducing or diluting mutations Only thing I can suggest is line breeding, between the 2 lots. Pair chicks from pr 1 back to the cock and hen 3 & 4 E.g split x bc and bc x split but be selective of the split chicks choosing the ones showing greater extension of the tears as some get enlarged tears and darker marked tail stripes etc Equally you could pair splits from pairs 3&4 same method but choose best coloured and sized chicks, so you keep type and improve colour to cock 1 and hen 2. Only other possibly way to do it would be cross cock 1 to hen 3 so your striving in both aspects good colour in cocks and type size with hen. In the hope they throw good shaped improved colour birds with reasonable size. But does limit you for pairings to increase numbers and more chances of getting what your after. Other thing could be crossing split x split in hope you'll get a visual blackcheek with both increased size and slightly better colour.

Others may answer more But creams are silver x fawnsSo quickest way would be fawn cock to silver hen, that'd give you 25% chance of cream hens Also if you crossed same pairing either way and selected a nice silver split fawn cock then pair to fawn hen Will give you good chance of creams of both sexes Dave P.s did you get pm with pictures?

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